What should we do about rising energy prices?

[Daniel Quinn]

The tories are attempting to bribe the electorate.

She will tommorrow announce No further increase in energy billls for at least 12,months .

To be paid for out of taxation eventually as opposed to a windfall tax . She hopes this will buy time for energy prices to stabalise

[steve s]

The way read it Dennis, is that we'll be paying for the intervention long after the price of energy has dropped
I can see that it will help the harder up short term
But the way I see it higher energy costs are going to be with us long term.
Loved to be proved wrong though

[pre65]

Has anything been mentioned about a cap on heating oil prices ?

Us rural dwellers have no hope of ever (?) getting mains gas.

[vinylnvalves]

At the end of the day - we the tax payers will be paying for the next 10 years or so for this. Isn’t this what Rishi was proposing! When Maggie 1 came in the price of petrol and fuel went up, so why will it be different for Maggie 2. Gas and electricity level pegging on increases isn’t doing anything for the green agenda. It doesn’t make the heat pumps attractive- financially. From a usage perspective with a COP of 4 when above 7 degrees, heat pumps would halve our consumption if the gas to be used in our domestic boilers was used in 50% efficient gas power stations.

Strangely received an email from Octopus energy offering me a heat pump for about £5k less than the quotes I got earlier this year. Not convinced that they will every be cost effective, unless you power them on economy 7, or until the electricity costs are divorced from gas prices

[vinylnvalves]

Has anything been mentioned about a cap on heating oil prices ?

Us rural dwellers have no hope of ever (?) getting mains gas.

Red diesel has only gone up 30%... Not 400%. Stop whinging

[pre65]

Has anything been mentioned about a cap on heating oil prices ?

Us rural dwellers have no hope of ever (?) getting mains gas.

Red diesel has only gone up 30%... Not 400%. Stop whinging

30% is a lot for a poor old pensioner.

[vinylnvalves]

Sell some vehicles....

[jack]

You can only use red diesel in very controlled circumstances and it's being phased out anyway.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ntitlement

We have a 2000ltr tank for the Aga etc. That is not going to be used by us again. 95p/ltr for heating fuel in 2000ltr qty. Being fair, the Aga is a shockingly bad environmental device and it's the massive elephant in the room in our "greenish" life.

[vinylnvalves]

Yes my brother-in-law who manages a private power station for a company, was left with 2 bunds of diesel for their backup generators they cannot use when the law changed. The CEO of the company asked my brother in law to find out how much it would cost to get the diesel transported to the south coast, so the CEO could fill up his super yacht with it.

Farmers cannot use it, however sports clubs, i.e. golf courses and boats still can... go figure, so if your a golf player who owns a floating gin palace, your alright jack.

[Max N]

I am no expert, just my experience of quotes and what I have. It’s the system not the individual components, each installer will have their preferences. Only comment will be on the power wall, nice wall art - you pay a lot for the Tesla name, and there is a long waiting time to get one.

Ok thanks, I’ll do some research

[Neal]

Max there are load of channels on youtube to research, I found these two to be very useful….

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheEVPuzzle

and…

https://www.youtube.com/c/JonathanPorterfield

His home setup…..


Both different approaches but using the Pylon batteries. From what I’ve read the Tesla solution is too long a wait and expensive…

We are holding off on the batteries now until next year as we need to get the basics right in the house first, IE new boiler and better loft insulation…

[Ali Tait]

At the end of the day - we the tax payers will be paying for the next 10 years or so for this. Isn’t this what Rishi was proposing! When Maggie 1 came in the price of petrol and fuel went up, so why will it be different for Maggie 2. Gas and electricity level pegging on increases isn’t doing anything for the green agenda. It doesn’t make the heat pumps attractive- financially. From a usage perspective with a COP of 4 when above 7 degrees, heat pumps would halve our consumption if the gas to be used in our domestic boilers was used in 50% efficient gas power stations.

Strangely received an email from Octopus energy offering me a heat pump for about £5k less than the quotes I got earlier this year. Not convinced that they will every be cost effective, unless you power them on economy 7, or until the electricity costs are divorced from gas prices

Just been chatting with a colleague who has an LPG heating system (no mains gas), whose neighbour has a ground source system which costs more to run than his LPG. Not to mention the far higher install cost.

[Nick]

So the plan seems to be to send money to the energy companies to make it look like we are not paying more for energy.

Its almost as if it would have been better to have had them under public control in the first place. But hey, all hail the market.

[Ali Tait]

I’d guess it would be cheaper in the end to renationalise the utilities than to cover the cost of keeping bills down.

[Daniel Quinn]

Anybody wanting rid of the tories ,the price freeze is good news.

Your bills won’t go up but it’s still a cock up that will attract criticism.

Also death of the monarch tonight will mean the country will be a little more radical come the election