Nothing In Particular

[Neal]

That’s peanuts, have a go at ford instead

https://www.startrescue.co.uk/news/top- ... f-all-time

[pre65]

That’s peanuts, have a go at ford instead

https://www.startrescue.co.uk/news/top- ... f-all-time

Yes, it is disgraceful.

What type of vehicle is involved is immaterial.

[Neal]

What type? they are all cars afaik, think you mean manufacturer but it’s hardly disgraceful that there are recalls unless negligence can be proved…enter DQ…manufacturers rely on so many parts suppliers and quality checks are probably in places to keep compliance to spec. but sh8t happens…

“The infamous Takata airbag, which could release shrapnel when deployed. Honda wasn’t the only firm affected; Takata made airbags for 40 million cars worldwide across 12 marques. Sadly 11 people were killed by the defective airbags (1 in a Honda).”

[Greg]

Tesla provide over the air updates approximately two monthly, sometimes more frequently. Sometimes it’s new features or increased functionality of an existing one. Updates can also include bug fixes just like Microsoft and Apple. A bug fix might technically be defined as a recall but I’m inclined to think those who make a headline out of it are mischief makers with an agenda.

[jack]

Yes, I did read the article, and did realise it was an "over the air software solution".

What's your problem ?

It still affects 2 million vehicles.

No problem for me - seems perfectly normal.

It's obviously a problem for you, so shall I post a report every time 100s if not 1000s of millions of iPhones or iPads or Android or Windows devices get an ota update?

Software updates are perfectly normal. Get over it.

[pre65]

Does not having a software update for a phone or personal computer have the potential to make your car crash ?

[pre65]

“The infamous Takata airbag, which could release shrapnel when deployed. Honda wasn’t the only firm affected; Takata made airbags for 40 million cars worldwide across 12 marques. Sadly 11 people were killed by the defective airbags (1 in a Honda).”

I actually had one airbag changed on my Honda CRV, only one mind.

Done as a recall outside the warranty period.

[jack]

Does not having a software update for a phone or personal computer have the potential to make your car crash ?

Again, had you bothered reading the link you posted, you will have seen that:

When Autosteer is on, systems in the car monitor that the driver is paying attention. If it detects the driver isn't there are warning alerts. There are also alerts if the driver tries to use Autosteer in inappropriate circumstances.

According to the recall documents Tesla supplied to the NHTSA, the "over the air update" will include additional alerts and monitoring "to encourage the driver to adhere to their continuous driving responsibility whenever Autosteer is engaged."

So there is nothing that there that has "the potential to make your car crash" - the issue was with users misusing the Autosteer feature - the update is just for more bells and whistles to try to get the dozy gits to pay attention, i.e. trying to mitigate user error.

According to the Guardian:

Tesla said it did not agree with NHTSA’s analysis, but would deploy an over-the-air software update that will “incorporate additional controls and alerts to those already existing on affected vehicles to further encourage the driver to adhere to their continuous driving responsibility whenever Autosteer is engaged.
...
The update based on vehicle hardware will include increasing prominence of visual alerts on the user interface, simplifying engagement and disengagement of Autosteer and additional checks upon engaging Autosteer “and eventual suspension from Autosteer use if the driver repeatedly fails to demonstrate continuous and sustained driving responsibility while the feature is engaged

[Ali Tait]

What type? they are all cars afaik, think you mean manufacturer but it’s hardly disgraceful that there are recalls unless negligence can be proved…enter DQ…manufacturers rely on so many parts suppliers and quality checks are probably in places to keep compliance to spec. but sh8t happens…

“The infamous Takata airbag, which could release shrapnel when deployed. Honda wasn’t the only firm affected; Takata made airbags for 40 million cars worldwide across 12 marques. Sadly 11 people were killed by the defective airbags (1 in a Honda).”

Had a recall on mine recently for a new airbag for that.

[pre65]

"Tesla is recalling more than two million cars after the US regulator found its driver assistance system, Autopilot, was partly defective.

It follows a two year investigation into crashes which occurred when the tech was in use."

Seems clear enough to me.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67693935

[Nick]

May seem clear to you but that's indicative of unsound thinking. "A occurs when B" is not the the same as "B causes A". You would need to show a causal link.

[Daniel Quinn]

Ergo proctor hoc

[andrew Ivimey]

Yeah Boris, who slipped into Latin when he was stuck.... are you sure of your Latin? Proctor or proctor hoc - can't 'member. It was a very long time ago. What an ass eh!

[pre65]

Ergo proctor hoc

I take it you really mean ergo propter hoc.

[andrew Ivimey]

Proctor makes it funny tho'....